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La Rynx
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:16:24 -
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Persifonne wrote:CCP STILL OBLIVIOUS TO FACT NEUTRAL LOGI R/R IS BIGGEST "GRIEF" FACTOR IN AWOX
They got corp kick que. Just fix neut logi but giving corpmates a stupid engaugment timer. Then rr suspect fixed.
While keeping corp violnce. Evrrybody wins yo
Since Neutral Logi will be repaired:
Also we will get bumping repaired!
Nice!
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:21:26 -
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Many tactics where cool and fun in the early years of EvE. Awoxing, spying, ganking...
For more growth all things have to be reconsidered.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 07:13:02 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Eve is entirely a PvP game. It is a sandbox where practically everything you do is in direct or indirect competition with other players.
At least you got that right.
Miners compete with other miners, TRADERS compete with other TRADERS without leaving the station.
So YES EvE is total PvP.
But NO EvE is NOT shooting everone at everyone.
That is what will keep EvE far above Elite: A real market with real "demand" and "real" resources.
Yoo cry about a minor change in corp managment, but that is nothing.
Wanna shoot? go where fights are. lowsec and nullsec.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 07:31:01 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Okay.. lets say CCP remove the ability to awox but new players are still leaving in large numbers and players are still staying in NPC Corps.
What next?
Reimburses Corp thefts? Removing War Dec's ? Banning Ganking ?
I mean are their people who truly believe that stopping the ability to awox is really going to make people stay in HS Corps and not leave Eve?
No, removing that is a small thing and the risc for this rather small outcry was taken.
Check the devblogs and the release cadence:
EvE has moved to No1 place again for CCP, since it is their best money source.
At this time CCP might change more thing in shorter time than in the years before.
Its not an easy path to follow to keep old customers and get more new customers. Some of the worst griefs will be toned down and other incentives will be created. It is a try to create more "fun" and less "tears".
Thats mostly bad for people feeding of "schadenfreude".
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Posted - 2014.10.31 10:10:18 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:So it seams the only argument the carebears can bring
There is the major codie problem: Everyone with different oppinons is a carebear. Another problem is, that they close their eyes when other arguments come and go into denial.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
This is a game about shooting spaceships.
WRONG!
EvE is PvP in the Heart, but its also miner vs miner and trader vs trader. They are already all interaction. The trade alone is far more interesting than trade in Elite ever can be. Its all about concurrent traders and a real market with offer and demand.
EvE is NOT all about shooting spaceships.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The real issue is
The real issue is you.
You find trading, mining and everything else boring. You want shoot ships? Go losec-nullsec!
I tell you what you really insist on:
easy kills and "schadenfreude"
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:06:33 -
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Black Pedro wrote:We should not remove game mechanics that drive conflict.
There is no "we".
You have no influence on this decision.
CCP wants to drive people into lo/null, so more changes will come, to lure people there.
In short: they make people like codies obsolete, who claim to have a similar target.
So why that noise?
Maybe its about the awox, maybe someone begins to see that cheap griefing gets reduced.
The rumor about player loss about this changes are quite ...
lets say funny. Elite and SC show there is highdemand for SpaceSim and EvE can and might profit from that fact to.
That brings changes for all players and some might not like them.
Still EvE will not turn into WoW, even when highsec gets safer.
What might miners get into other areas?
Less ore to mine. No reason why CCP will do nothing about belt distributions and asteroid amount.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:11:16 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I'm not the one sitting around claiming to be trying to rid highsec of bot aspirant behaviour while attacking all miners that display behaviour that is not bot aspirant.
I do not understand how those people can ignore the "reality". I asked myself to, is this deliberate to drive out mining competition? Or do they really believe that nonsense? It is hard to believe for me, that those people might really be that foolish.
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Funny, any time someone criticizes code, you (code and your supporters) almost always accuse them of delusional rambling. That must be convenient, I suppose.
Yes, very funny. Ignoring some facts like following someone and believing what he says without doubts. Not very EvE like.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:17:18 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:From some really skimmy skimming I'm gathering that:
TL;DR awoxers mad that their "content creation tools" (lol) are being removed. Is that what this thread is about? Did I miss anything?
I think you got the gist of it.
IMO those pro-awoxers and friends don't have lot of Arguments.
And no good ones.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:20:04 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:
Btw, you snipped the most important part of my post
If that was the most important part, you apprarently hadn't anything to say.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:27:14 -
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"psychological issues"
To keep people interested it is important to minimize unnecessary frustrating moments and give the impression of fairness. I have problems how this awoxing will teach something to new players. Moreso when the older player sits there and plays with the gamemechnics NewBros don't know.
Content vs Player rention value, i would think one could let go of awoxing and not miss much.
I start to think that some cerrtain group starts to realize that their end might be on the horizon.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:33:37 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I don't need to join a fleet or make anything up. Their kills are plain to see, and the vast majority are untanked solo players many of whom react with tears when ganked. Bots don't react with tears, bots don't fly insufficiently tanked mining barges solo. Thus CODE claiming to be against bot aspirant behaviour is an outright lie or a display of incredible incompetence.
Another thing. Those guys are so into "it" (whatever "it" is) that they do not understand, that they themself give out those facts.
Read their blog and you can see what they are really doing. It seems the codies understand only the "hurrah" part.
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:38:30 -
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La Nariz wrote:
You are opening a can of worms if you want to talk fairness. Highsec ...
Sorry that was unclear.
I talk about meta.
i am talking about the felt "fairness" when doing something, like playing a game for example. A good game will be challenging but avoid to get to frustrating. Felt Effort wants to be rewarded. IMO this is still doable without "destroying EvE" or "create a theme park".
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Posted - 2014.10.31 22:40:07 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:
To the other person who asked about corp robbery? No I do not see that being on the chopping bl;ock in the (what was the time frame?) next six months.
LOL
Good joke!
I think you made some people a little anxious!
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Posted - 2014.11.01 04:56:48 -
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nothing to see here, move on!
^^;
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Posted - 2014.11.01 04:58:06 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:It occured to me, reading Marsha's post above. Is being active in the forums a form of PvP? Especially if you are making that activity an effort to END another persons playstyle or shame them into stopping what they are doing through mockery or namecalling?
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Here in EvE Forums it shure is: It is even more agressive then certain Battlefield forums. When games are about fights, the forum "tone" is harsher.
I have similar thoughts on the title "carebear". What is a carebear? If i follow those arguments, i come to conclusion, that especially people who call other people carebear, are most often carebears themselfes. And i didn't see one exception till now.
As it is, its a title for your opponent "the others", "the enemy".
Its just just for taunting.
So yes, we are alll carebears. Not in the sense of "nice cudly bears" but people who like to get something the usual easy or at least known way.
Compared to the Jump changes, this change is nothing. In the early years awoxing was an art and unique but that withered. The people who where hit the hardest, are the beginners. Seniors knew the dangers and how to deal with it.
So why keep that mechanic.
Awoxing is nothing special anymore and the only targets are beginners. So the pro-awoxers basically insist on the possibilty to punish NewBros without RISK. That sounds *very* carebear for me.
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Posted - 2014.11.01 05:25:03 -
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Syllviaa wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:Thing is it does so by removing a stupid loophole. Can one of the opposition explain to me WHY it makes sense that I can shoot a guy in my corp but not a stranger? Why concord will react to one incident and not the other?
With dual mechanics we now have ways to 'test a tank' ignoring completely sisi server for the moment. So why did the awox mechanic make sense to you? I understand it made Eve 'dangerous' and allowed a certain type of gameplay but at the bottom of it . . . is there a logic to that rule? If a guy steals a bunch of corporate stuff & is currently flying it in a freighter to the neatest trade hub, why shouldn't you be allowed to kill him & not have concord intervene?
Because the awoxer would not fly in a corporate ship. Since the awoxer works with a low sp alt he has to transport this stuff with a freighter alt anyway. Or contract Red Frog. No change here, since corporate steals are still possible.
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